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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2003, 09:48:54 pm »
well - we get attacked. i hold u holdable. instead of talking to me or another admin and explaining the problem instead of adding us to this crap.

So. u wanna biatch about the ircd and how some stuff was IMPROVED from ur buggy POS - i know 10 ppl from different nets who have said NoLimit1.0.* is improved and much different then the version you have here.

Who gives a :badword:. its the internet. not like we stole it. your ircd is buggy as :badword: neways. u should feel special someone actully tried to use it and build it up to something worth using.

I read some of it but seems as tho all ur trying to do is bash zerolimits rep. who gives a crap about ur lame ircd?!?!?!?

answer me that.

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2003, 09:56:12 pm »
Sadly they don't see the point.

Maybe they haven't ever read http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html

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2.  You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

    * a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

    * b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.


The least you can do is just acknowledge the place from where you got the IRCd. Its called ethics, & people do follow it. You are taking something for free, credit the people responsible for the same.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2003, 09:58:28 pm »
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Is your IRCD freeware? Or must buy!?


Freeware means freedom with the source code. Does not mean you can go &  rip off the credits & run it :)
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2003, 10:00:20 pm »
1 * We did not ask for PID to rip the code or make any modifications to credits. as far as i can see. he is at fault. not us.

2 * gpl means what to me? i didnt code/modd itin anyway.

i quote.

"If script kiddies use this disagreement as an excuse to DDoS zerolimit.net, so be it, thats their choice and theres nothing anyone of us can do to prevent it. Last i checked, script kiddies didnt need a reason at all for launching DDoS attacks"

by your statement and allowing such a topic, you hereby condone and advocate such action to be taken against zerolimit. therefore you are as much to blame as the one that ddos zerolimit. you will be named to the local police for a direct thread in a conspiracy to attack/ddos zerolimit if it is not removed within 48hrs.


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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2003, 10:09:29 pm »
Go read ... *maybe* you'll understand what the GPL is.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2003, 10:18:38 pm »
Quote from: "bluestreak"
Is your IRCD freeware? Or must buy!?

Its GPL, surely, its not that hard to find out.

Quote from: "Craig"

well - we get attacked. i hold u holdable.


See you in court then. I will look forward to hearing you plead your case.
Especially how you explain to the jury how my statement about not condoning DDoS is actually an encouragement to DDoS.

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So. u wanna biatch about the ircd and how some stuff was IMPROVED from ur buggy POS - i know 10 ppl from different nets who have said NoLimit1.0.* is improved and much different then the version you have here.

Who gives a . its the internet. not like we stole it. your ircd is buggy as  neways. u should feel special someone actully tried to use it and build it up to something worth using.

I read some of it but seems as tho all ur trying to do is bash zerolimits rep. who gives a crap about ur lame ircd?!?!?!?


I have a small suggestion for you :)
Try reading the original post, you might find out what the actual point is, as both you and Bluestreak seem to have missed it completely.

As for NoLimit being better or worse than anything else, i cant say. What is better or not is in the eye of the beholder and it was never an issue here until you brough it up. Or do you see yourself as knowing what "better" is to everyone? Some people will find Bahamut better than IRCu, others will find the opposite. Some people might find telnet to be the best IRC client, others may think mIRC is better. Buggy? Sure, show me any piece of software with any complexity that is bug free. I can assure you, you wont find a single one.

Now, heres a curiousity. If my work is so bad, why is it that zeroflimit saw the need to use it in the first place?

As for the bugs, feel free to list bugs you have found that makes it so horrible.
Not to mention, when you rip Alpha software... what did you expect?

Who gives a :badword:? I do for one. I dont care what people think of the work of the people who develop this IRCd. Know why? Because they code it for their own needs and use. As for anyone else, thats up to them. But the download/usage statistics of UltimateIRCd speaks for themselves. While you may think the code developed is crappy, it still gives you no right to try and present the code as someone elses. But ive already gathered that ethics and respect are two things which seems to be lacking judging from whats been put forth here.

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instead of talking to me or another admin and explaining the problem instead of adding us to this crap.


Whats the matter, dont care for your dirty laundry being hang out to dry in the open?
Judging from the lack of willingness from zerolimit admins to even bother to read and understand the issue being presented and the attitude put forth, i strongly doubt i would have gotten anywhere taking a different approach.
Especially considering Zerolimit couldnt be bothered to respect the origins of their code in the first place.

On a side note, the only thing thats turned ugly in this thread are your posts.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2003, 10:40:13 pm »
Well my "friend" think whatever you wish.. we are only using this buggy pos till our new one is completed in a few weeks. if you or your friends wants to blame someone.. tell him to bother PID (Donald Steele of North Carolina)


gpl atm means nothing to me. because i will NEVER code a ircd.

btw
#include <stdio.h>

main()

{
 printf("Hello world\n");
}


Guess what ...Your first ever program without NO bugs  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
lol.. sorry couldnt resist.

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2003, 10:42:16 pm »
Quote from: "Craig"
well - we get attacked. i hold u holdable. instead of talking to me or another admin and explaining the problem instead of adding us to this crap.


I hold you holdable?  Does that mean you want to make sweet love to Shadow?  God I hope not...  At least make somewhat of an attempt at using grammer in your sentences.  Also note that certain letters such as those starting sentences should be capitalized.

Quote from: "Craig"
Who gives a :badword:. its the internet. not like we stole it. your ircd is buggy as :badword: neways. u should feel special someone actully tried to use it and build it up to something worth using.

I read some of it but seems as tho all ur trying to do is bash zerolimits rep. who gives a crap about ur lame ircd?!?!?!?

answer me that.


No... really, its NOT like you stole it.. You blatently, without regard for the people who slaved over the codebase to make it what it was, ripped all credits relating to people, removed all references to anything and claimed it as your own.  And by as your own, please note I'm refering to the network, afterall, read the copyrights file.

As for people trying to bash zerolimits... stop claiming other peoples code as your own.. and before you even try to say you guys didnt claim it was all your own.. scroll up and read some of your tech admins posts as well as your own.  

Quote from: "Craig"
"If script kiddies use this disagreement as an excuse to DDoS zerolimit.net, so be it, thats their choice and theres nothing anyone of us can do to prevent it. Last i checked, script kiddies didnt need a reason at all for launching DDoS attacks"

by your statement and allowing such a topic, you hereby condone and advocate such action to be taken against zerolimit. therefore you are as much to blame as the one that ddos zerolimit. you will be named to the local police for a direct thread in a conspiracy to attack/ddos zerolimit if it is not removed within 48hrs.


Most notably to this, I would say something witty.. but you're too much of a mental midget to catch onto it.

Grow up and get a life Craig.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2003, 10:43:23 pm »
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btw
#include <stdio.h>

main()

{
printf("Hello world\n");
}


Guess what ...Your first ever program without NO bugs    
lol.. sorry couldnt resist.


Thank you again for proving my point about you being incapable of actually reading properly.
Although, given your previous posts, that code could be considered complex by you, but it certainly is no complex program by any standards i know of.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2003, 10:48:48 pm »
You made no option of finding one of great importance. so i did that. did i upset you ? poor you.

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Shmad This is between ZeroLimit and Shadow... butt out.

Is this all your complaining about. that ur name isnt in credits ?

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2003, 10:54:42 pm »
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gpl atm means nothing to me. because i will NEVER code a ircd.


GPL will never mean anything to you coz you are not going to take the effort to read it :)

btw, its not a rule that only coders should know about the GPL, Oh & there's no specific mention about IRCd coders either in there.
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2003, 10:54:43 pm »
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You made no option of finding one of great importance. so i did that. did i upset you ? poor you.

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Shmad This is between ZeroLimit and Shadow... butt out.

Is this all your complaining about. that ur name isnt in credits ?


I wont bother wasting my time trying to explain it to you since you are either incapable of reading or is plain simply ignorant, in which case me repeating it for you in big bold letters wont make it easier for you to understand.

Its quite obvious you have a hard time dealing with critisism of any type and when pushed in any way result to namecalling and treaths.

And leave your ass raping fantasies off this board.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2003, 10:54:50 pm »
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You made no option of finding one of great importance. so i did that. did i upset you ? poor you.

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Shmad This is between ZeroLimit and Shadow... butt out.

Is this all your complaining about. that ur name isnt in credits ?


Albeit this is between ShadowRealm Creations and the lowly ZeroLimit IRC network, it is also between all members of the opensource community and ZeroLimit.  You can't expect to rip code, claim it as ZeroLimit's great creation and not expect to get exposed for it.  If you want to make up to ShadowRealm Creations for the blatent theft of code and claiming it as your own, then stop using it.  You said its buggy and sucks (where you find those claims you wont say), so don't use it.  Use something else until your IRCd is done.. or is it that it isn't so buggy?  Ah, yes, this is most likely the case.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2003, 11:03:30 pm »
This thread is now locked as Craig and Bluestreak have made it abundantly clear that Zerolimit is incapable or unwilling to even understand the core of the issue and they have quite clearly showed that they have nothing usefull to add to this thread aside from namecalling and bashing.

If anyone have something they feel should be added, feel free to drop me an email or a PM.
Please remember to include your forum username in the email, and the email must originate from the valid mailserver and from address match the one used for your forum account for it to be posted.

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I wish there was a better way of doing this, but as i have no way of having moderation before display, this is the only way to keep the thread "open" and allow people who genuinely have something of value to add, to do so.
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2003, 09:22:59 pm »
Quote from: "Noam"

First of all i would like to say that i was not on ZeroLimit for the past 10 months and 10 days.
I used to be an oper, co server-admin, server admin, and tech. admin on that network, for about 3 years. so i know how things used to work there.
This entire 'NoLimit' IRCd thing was rotten from the core.
In the past it used to be based on Ultimate2.8 and FastIRCd, the thing was buggy and had extreme issues with large amounts of clients. (ZeroLimit NetAdmins claimed their coder made it unstable on purpose).
About a year ago the NAs decided it was time to get a new IRCd (mostly after we all told them to) and had some coding team doing it for them, and again the entire process was rotten.
as a 'tech admin' i expected to be involved somehow in atleast what the ircd's source is, but they decided it is too secret to tell anyone anything.
j0j0, a network admin said that the source of the ircd is not something _anyone_ should see, and that it will be compiled by HER on each shell and the source will be deleted.
And i found out why, I had shell access to a machine they were using for development and took a look at the code (while i was not allowed technicly), The entire thing was ripped, from Ultimate3, from Unreal -- i saw original comments made by ShadowMaster, i saw stskeeps' comments too. This IRCd that i saw was called 'NoLimit 3', i am not sure who coded it (PID as someone said is a good hunch), but ZeroLimit has NAs that knew VERY WELL what they were doing.
|gon_Zo|, another NA which i held in high regard, is very "Linux" , uses it at home and codes and knows what GPL is, my opinion of him changed when i heard his condoned such things.

What i want people to know is that ZeroLimit is not such a bad network, it just has some bad people, and that Craig or bluesteak (who ?!) are not the right people to 'defend' zerolimit, if j0j0 knows her precious network was getting very bad rep on an irc news site, she should find the time (which she might not have) to come here and write a real message regarding NoLimitIRCd, the ircd they are using, the ircd they plan to use, and how they feel about GPL -- instead of letting script kiddies like Craig do it.

<sorry for the long post and not being so clear>
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