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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2003, 06:33:35 pm »
Quote from: "Preacher"

For anyone who hasn't realised this thread made the news on
www.irc-junkie.org

I just thought I would put this summary together, from all that I have read,
so as to gather  the main points (as I see them) in one place

From a comment on irc-junkie from j0j0 to asmo we have

Quote from: "j0j0"
Don Steele was a past coder, he did take Ultimate3.0a and
"rip" some of it. Actually he improved it I'm sorry to say.  


Shadow adds this
Quote from: "ShadowMaster"
Don Steele did NOT "rip" UltimateIRCd. Don Steele took
GPL software and made a work derived from GPL software and copyrights where
from all I can tell intact.


and as Shadow has noted in another thread

Quote from: "ShadpwMaster"
Now, as for NoLimitIRCd and Zerolimit.net, Donald
Steele based the work he did for Zerolimit.net on UltimateIRCd 3.0.0.a28,
which also had said credits intact. It is after he left Zerolimit.net (and
took NoLimitIRCd to a new level and releasing it publickly) that
Zerolimit.net have modified the source code in an attempt to present their
version of NoLimitIRCd as a "brand new work" based on Bahamut. Which to my
understanding of the GPL is a violation of the GPL as it attempts to deprive
all those who have worked on UltimateIRCd over the years of the credit and
copyright we are legally entitled to.


It leaves me pondering as they (ZeroLimit) blame every one for "ripping" off
software for them, but don't take any responsibility themselves for the
present ircd that they are running.

Yet they have this in their credits

Quote
<<Server>> ======================= NoLimit 1.0.x Credits
========================
<<Server>>
<<Server>> NoLimit 1.0.x is maintained and coded by Zerolimit IRC Network.
<<Server>> Based on, other multiple Open Source IRCds. The bulk being
Bahamut1.4.35.
<<Server>> ZeroLimit IRC Network has and ALWAYS will maintain Copyright for
the IRCd
<<Server>> name of 'NoLimit' and has done so since 1998!
<<Server>>
<<Server>> =========================== The Developers
===========================
<<Server>>
<<Server>> The Muppet Crew Members:
<<Server>>
<<Server>> |gon_Zo| - <[email protected]>
<<Server>> - Head Of Development
<<Server>>
<<Server>> j0j0 - <[email protected]>
<<Server>> - Wannabe Programmer
<<Server>>
<<Server>> mgm_ - <[email protected]>
<<Server>> - Documents and website
<<Server>>


Surely if they want to claim credits as the "developers", the muppet team
must take the credit for what j0j0 described  as the " rip" ;)

The simplist and clearest place of this is in the ircdhelp credits... as
noted by acidic32
Quote from: "acidic32"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NoLimit Help ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The NoLimitIRCd Help System - was coded by j0j0
as a replacement for documentation files. For more information on the IRCd
itself, type '/INFO'

The NoLimitIRCd Help System - Copyright (C) j0j0 The Muppet Crew, Inc.

If you require any further assistance, please join #Services.
Please note that /IRCDHELP is work in progress and can be inaccurate or
blatantly wrong until final 3.0.0 release.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~

:

§~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~§ UltimateIRCd Help §~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~§

The Ultimate Help System was coded by Acidic32 (aka Daniel Moss)
as a replacement for documentation files. For more information on the IRCd
itself, type '/INFO'

The UltimateIRCd Help System - Copyright (C) Daniel Moss, UltimateIRCd, Inc.

If you require any further assistance, please join #TheRealms.
Please note that /IRCDHELP is work in progress and can be inaccurate or
blatantly wrong until final 3.0.0 release.
§~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~~¤§¤~§



j0j0 is described in their credits as a "Wannabe programmer", not enough of
one to even understand it appears how to remove the line
"Please note that /IRCDHELP is work in progress and can be inaccurate or
blatantly wrong until final 3.0.0 release."
which as all ultimate 3 fans know was added due to the fact that as ult 3 is
in alpha and the /ircdhelp wasn't up to date :)

Sorry to say Noam
Quote from: "Noam"
and how they feel about GPL


It would appear that j0j0 has little regard for giving credit to people for
their work....

It is a shame that from the previous posts on this thread, the reason why
ShadowMaster had to lock it, is that they do not have any idea of giving
credit for work done.

Craig last acid post on this thread which had to be moderated due to his
"fantasies"  did have this one gem.

Quote from: "Craig"
Is this all your complaining about. that ur name isnt in
credits ?


It is a sad thing to see that people don't understand that hard work does
deserve credit to the Ultimate Team as well as the Bahamut team from which
it is based....

shalom

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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2003, 06:48:31 pm »
A small clarification.

No im not making a fuzz about my name not being mentioned, no im not making a fuzz about UltimateIRCd not being mentioned. Im making a fuzz over the intentional attempt to make NoLimitIRCd appear as a word derrived from Bahamut which is not true. Its a work derrived from UltimateIRCd, which in turn is a work derrived from Bahamut.

In doing so, they violate the GPL imo as they indirectly (and intentionally) try to deprive over a dozen people including myself for both copyright and credit.

On a side note, i find the following statement quite hillarious:
Quote from: "j0j0"

NoLimitIRCd is based off of our old ircd which was upgraded from FastIRCd. The code is based from Dreamforge. It is NOT ultimate


Especially when NoLimitIRCd claims the following:
Quote from: "NoLimitIRCd"

NoLimitIRCd is based from Bahamut1.4.35


Now, while the statement holds __some__ truth towards the older IRCd no longer in use, that too is tainted by Noam's statement as a former tech admin.
Quote from: "Noam"

In the past it used to be based on Ultimate2.8 and FastIRCd,


Which one of those was the core is irrelevant at this point, but it also means that in all likelyhood, it was never based on Dreamforge, but on either FastIRCd or UltimateIRCd 2.8.x

Quote from: "Noam"

What i want people to know is that ZeroLimit is not such a bad network, it just has some bad people, and that Craig or bluesteak (who ?!) are not the right people to 'defend' zerolimit, if j0j0 knows her precious network was getting very bad rep on an irc news site, she should find the time (which she might not have) to come here and write a real message regarding NoLimitIRCd, the ircd they are using, the ircd they plan to use, and how they feel about GPL -- instead of letting script kiddies like Craig do it.


It seems j0j0 is not in any better position to defend the network. More lies does not undo the damage done by the first lies. Ive seen the mail from j0j0 to Asmo of IRC-Junkies.org, and its clear that j0j0 is either lying, or simply have no clue what goes on around the network. Given her name appears in the credits of the IRCd, and the fact that she is the "network owner", i find the latter hard to belive.
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2003, 04:54:33 pm »
Quote from: "Cryptoknight aka Don Steele"

first off i thank you for allowing me to add to this closed discussion since it is no longer really a discussion as much of a rant for anyone who has read this. I would also like to take the time to thank everyone who has "stuck up" for me since when i was removed from zl i made a few enemies but thats irc life i suppose.

when i left zl i had been working on the NoLimit ircd which i fully admit was based on ultimate 3.a28 during the 2.x series of nolimit. i was removed on may 8 the day that fizzer was released and it struck zl pretty hard as well as a quite a few other networks watching what happened during this time i made the decision to move to ultimate 3.a30 as my base for the next release of the nolimit ircd i can fully and with confidance say that zl is running a modified version of ultimate however i have always kept the credits giving homage to ultimate and the team here since i admire the work that they do however when i left zl they took and riped out the credit and copyright information zl is not a respectable network for alot of reasons they should not bring themselfs down even more by doing this... as soon as i relised what had happened i emailed there admins only to have it fall on deaf ears they seem to take stuff a little to seriously there which is purely insaine j0j0 of all people has tried to hide the info about there network so closely that she causes ppl to hate there network and either delink or packet them hell they even accused me of packeting them at one point even though all over the news sites it was saying fizzer was attacking alot of irc nets anyways i cant really say anything good about zl and i do warn anyone who writes code for them to be careful i have had them try and get my work removed from sourceforge.net (i have the email's still if anyone wants a copy) and i have had to change my webhosting provider because of them trying to say i stole copyrighted stuff from them which is the farthest from the truth if anyone as stolen anything it is them by removing all the copy right information also if anyone wants the earlier versions of nolimit 2.7 is the one they run which is also available from the source forge site you can get to it from the downloads section on secureirc.org in my mind this issue is resolved since they do and always will steal source code and claim it to be there's i have seen them do it with alot of things but i guess thats what is expected from a network who's sole user count is based on botnets and wares bots

Don Steele
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2003, 02:48:28 am »
Quote from: "tragidy"

I would just like to take some time out to say that zerolimit is responsable for 60% of ddos attacks against most irc networks and then there sixteen year old admin Craig would lead's there " Security Staff " ie ddos squad. would like to come to this post and talk about court, court for words?
how about i get some of the logs of craig smurf and j0j0 planning attacks dated back to 2000.

Also noted they will not let you have the nolimit src or alter the conf files on your own box that i pay money for so yes the rumor is true they do also try very hard to hide the fact that they run ultimateircd with a sendq speed up and a new name tag in version.sh oh and if oyu think they only ripped 3.0.X nah they have been ripping since 2.8.2

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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2003, 11:52:46 pm »
Although I shouldn't reply here (as it's locked), I think I should.
I'm not defending anyone or anything here, my loyalties lie with ShadowMaster totally in this, he, and by extension, our community here has my full support (despite my lack of 'action' of late).

We can all see that ZL are the equivalent of thieves, they steal others' work, blott out the credits and do a :badword: poor job of passing it off as their own. I believe that we, the community here at SR forums are better than this, this is my only comment on this, maybe we should just let this thread die? We're better than this, we have more important things in our lives than to be a bunch of pathetic little morons who (apparently) DDoS other networks and who have not got a single clue about GPL or the concept of it, I'm no expert on it, but I know enough to know they don't have a clue. They aren't 'real' coders, 'real' coders would give credit where it's due as a mark of respect.

Let the babies play in their sandpit, we, the young adults and adults here at the SR forums have 'real work' to do.

I bid you all, a good evening and I hope your weekends' go well. My personal 'hey team' goes to #ShadowRealm on irc.shadow-realm.org. Sorry I ain't been around much, been busy with R/L stuff again... only 7 weeks of work left before I break for Christmas though.

Peace to you all, Take Care.
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2004, 07:22:12 am »
Quote from: "Craig"
Well my "friend" think whatever you wish.. we are only using this buggy pos till our new one is completed in a few weeks.


Im sorry, but i cant help myself.

The few weeks since Craigs post have now passed many times over and then some. But amazingly, they are still running "the buggy PoS" as they did when this was first discovered. Draw whatever conclutions you want from that :)
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2004, 08:40:10 pm »
I don't need to mate. They're all talk. They should get some brains and stick with Ultimate, it's only as 'buggy' as it's misconfigured and if you know what you're doing, it's not hard to properly configure a working IRCd, Services package and various other additional IRC-based services. They obviously can't configure it worth squat.

(I've spent a long week working with low-level ADS... all I can see is microsoft websites and 'access denied' errors, man I need some downtime, anyone want to offer me a place to crash? <g>)
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